Can I Ever Drink Again Fatty Liver
Advice: can I drink moderately now? GGT/AST
Ok. My GGT was off the radar. Over 600. I was drinking very heavily before this year, due tolife issues and lack of responsibility. I take abstained for 4 weeks.
GGT is now 140. [should be <50. Was >600]
AST is now 42. [should exist xl, was 72]
i. I plan to take some other month off. It'southward non that hard really. I desire to become the GGT downwardly
2. I want to be able to potable moderately. I hateful - 2 glasses of wine with a meal. Not every twenty-four hours. Weekends. Staying within limits
This is not a question of "Tin can you exercise that"? I know if I beverage heavily again my liver probably will not exist able to manage to process the alcohol and I will exist in serious trouble.
I sympathise that I am lucky to have had my liver heal.
Just - IF (and I know it is a big IF) I drinkable inside recommend limits, and take days off, and maintain diet - am I putting myself at risk? For socialising and business a drinking glass of vino is missed.
I volition repeat my tests every 6-8 weeks. So I approximate I volition know if just drinking very moderately has caused my liver to react?
What practice you lot call back?
Written past
I call up there are plenty non alcoholic drinks available for you to be able to socialise etc without having to drink wine. What is the real reason behind yous feeling you have to go dorsum to drinking?
Hullo -
The question isn't actually about the psychology. I just want the scientific angle.
As I said - I understand the psychological angle.
I don't want to go back to drinking excessively.
I desire to be able to beverage a glass or two of wine with a repast.
And I want to know if that puts me in any significant danger.
Thanks.
GGT at 600 is pretty alarming. your ALT and AST are'nt too bad, simply withal some damage has been done to your liver cells. I would think an ultrasound might be an idea?
Information technology takes six months for the liver to heal properly. Your GGT is telling you that you potable too much and too ofttimes. You really should re-think your life really, you have to change, well-nigh people slip back into their one-time drinking routines once they feel "prophylactic" with tests that have come up down. Don't fall into this trap, from what you lot have said your intending on drinking again. I were you I would stop fore-ever.
I had an ultrasound. Information technology showed slight fatty infiltration of the liver.
I fully sympathise what your are proverb. Thank you. I appreciate what you lot are saying, and in that location is an chemical element of truth to information technology. But, this is not specifically my question.
That is - if a liver has *normalised* GGT/AST & ALT, and the patient has these checked every ii months, can He/She *safely* drink inside the recommended limit - ?
Thanks
Pauly
I would say NO, fat liver is still liver disease, dont have it lightly! it can turn to cirrhosis if left to get worse.
Hello ralph - I'chiliad non leaving it to become worse. I have changed lifestyle. I am asking if I tin can drink moderately at present my levels are stablising, and if not now, how long to wait etc.... Thank you. 1 affair is how long for a fatty liver to repair itself? It seems like this is six months?
The fatty liver means your vulnerable to booze i should think, about 16% of the population have this, its genetic and nothing y'all can do about it. Simply y'all didnt say how long and how much you have been drinking for. Fatty liver to repair depends, only i volition stick to the 6months I accept suggested firstly, besides when your tests go downward it yet takes longer to repair than them just going down. You will another ultrasound after you lot take stopped for probably three-6months to meet if it is getting meliorate. Are you over weight, that can cause information technology too.
6 months.... Ok. I call up I should get the ultrasound repeated in 2 more months. Yes, am overweight
blood tests dont give any true indication of the livers condition you need a fibroscan
I did - I had slight fatty liver.
what was the score
what score?
ALT is 42. GGT is 140.
ALT was >70, GGT was >600.
This is afterward a calendar month of tumeric tea and all the other 'liver' fixing stuff
(Pinterest has some bang-up stuff on liver cleansing)
Thanks
fibroscan score from 1 to 75
If you lot really did accept a fibroscan (you ptobably but had an ultrasound) you would most certainly been given score 1-75 , if your dealing with booze alone and no viral infections, information technology will tell you what phase of liver damage your at by measuring stiffness. Also remember blood tests tin can return to near perfect after abstinence from alcohol and at that place However tin can exist MAJOR liver damage. My AST is 28 and my GGT is 48 and my Albumin is 4.4 and I have phase 3 irreversible fibrosis.
I have phase 3 also...my mdtold me afterward healing (anywhere from 1 year to maybe two) that mine is reversible...
How-do-you-do
I understand exactly what you are going through re. Alcohol. Manifestly the best communication is to abjure, but the decision is yours. I abstained for but over a yr and then decided to accept the odd glass of vino when out socialising (just the one), and on birthdays etc. That was six months ago and I have kept to my plan. Blood tests concluding week all normal, and I have a U.s.a. scan booked for next calendar week, so fingers crossed. I don't think y'all'll find anyone who says "OK you lot can accept a drink". Anyhow proficient luck. Anne
What were your blood levels before? And what did you get them down to? And practice y'all cheque up regularly? And did y'all have an ultrasound etc.?
Questions questions!
My dr. told me that my liver trouble is not from alcohol. not sure about yours I take pbc..but only because your liver tests are reasonable does not hateful your liver has no harm. did yous have biopsy? I would enquire your dr. for communication they would know improve.
I had an Ultrasound and information technology showed infiltration of fatty liver. My medico thinks I cannot drink moderately - at to the lowest degree he doesn't want to propose drinking. Which leaves me in this kind of vague doubt virtually it all - if levels are down Can I etc...? I recollect I need to spend another month or 2 and so re-assess. Mayhap I am rushing it. Information technology's not that I desire to drink excessively, I just am moving to a new city and want to know if I can have a glass of wine with new people etc..
I guess you lot only like to keep on drinking, and no offence, cause I as well would similar that.. but in general we had our last take a chance mate.. for me I have changed the Duvel and wine and Stella to sparkling water... will accept of some of the 'quality 'of our lives, bit at the same time keeps you a longer while on this planet.. my GGT has been high for years.. ALT and AST increased since June.. but inside the limits. . GGT was 286 in December. . No more drinking since 16th of April. . 14th of November only 188.. and 14 days later once more 204.. without alcohol.. but with Zolpidem sleeping tablets.. our livers are damaged.. let u.s. live with it.. alcohol is not everything mate
I had an Ultrasound and it showed infiltration of fatty liver. My md thinks I cannot drink moderately - at least he doesn't want to propose drinking. Which leaves me in this kind of vague uncertainty near information technology all - if levels are down Can I etc...? I think I demand to spend another calendar month or two and then re-assess. Maybe I am rushing it. It'south not that I want to drink excessively, I just am moving to a new urban center and want to know if I can accept a glass of wine with new people etc..
I would say you lot've been lucky to get the levels down so rapidly.. my advice every bit as on my previous response to you post is to abstain until xmas. If your luck continues your GGT levels may normalise.
As others have opined-if you tin get away without drinking and then practise so-I wouldnt use the 21 units as a guideline though-make it a couple of drinks a calendar week. Every bit Dr Michael Mosely says-at that place is no condom level of booze! Others take said that quondam habits tend to die hard and certainly truthful in my case.. I'yard drinking naught like I used to but I'chiliad coming to the conclusion that I need to knock it on the caput which equally a wine drinker I will find very hard.
Thank you. Useful advice. Am moving to a new city & it'southward going to be very hard to socialise without beingness able to have a beverage - yes, I know that sounds stupid. Simply I would just similar to be able to share in a glass of vino or two. I recall though that I do demand another month or two equally yous say and then review.
yes practise that and I remember you'll be fine
I think the straight respond to your question is if you've stayed clear from alcohol for a substantial corporeality of time so that your liver has fully recovered, so yeah i'm sure the odd drinking glass of vino would practice you no damage. If you have a healthy liver then the odd drink is okay. Just your the one who knows your drinking habits and wether you can stick to this and wether its a wise idea to drink again. All the all-time.
Thank you. I agree. I am just wondering how to ascertain if the liver is healthy again. Seems like there is not a definite answer....
I recall the matter to remember is that people will give yous plenty of answers with all good intentions, but nobody on here is a doctor or specialist and are in no way qualified to give you a diagnosis or prognosis or anything (although it may seem like it sometimes lol). The best communication I tin requite you is get and encounter your doc or specialist and ask them, their the only ones who tell yous if your livers fully recovered. And stay off google! ☺
the problem is that no doc tin can tell for certain what state your liver is in without a biopsy or a fibroscan. Getting the scores down on an LFT doesnt mean the liver is healed. People are mistakenly thinking that going to the medico and getting a good LFT is the green light to drink, its non! LFTs are a good fashion to find a problem once it is at that place. Then if y'all go your fatty liver resolved, you lot volition drink and get it fat again in a couple of weeks? Y'all surely need to get-go thinking booze isnt for you, similar I accept said fat liver is liver diease, your susceptible through genetics.
I'm more social now sense i quit drinking. Club club sodas or diet drinks. Steer clear of energy drinks even though they mimic mixed drinks nearly perfectly as they contain large amounts of Vitamin B3 which is linked to cases of acute Liver failure. I oasis't had a drink in over 3 years. my enzymes are still high. I've lost most of my weight . it's tough non having that escape form everything.. or the ability to force relaxation.. I do miss drinking.
At a presentation recently given by a Consultant hepatologist at a leading liver transplant centre he explained to us that once we starting time on a treatment plan for liver disease (be that medication, abstaining from alcohol, changing diet or whatever) first; we feel better; second; the liver enzymes drop; third; the histology of the liver improves. He estimated the first was quite quick, the second took well-nigh vi months, and the 3rd took about a year. So far you 'experience' better, and your bloods are improving but are even so not within normal range. Then I would say stay off the alcohol until your bloods are within normal range, stay off for another 6 months after they normalise and check that at the cease of the half dozen months they are nevertheless within normal, and and then another 6 months to ensure the liver histology has time to normalise - then about 1 year to 18 months with no drinking or mayhap subsequently half-dozen months no more than than one large or two (125ml) glasses of vino a week. Yous may find after abstaining for that long that the urge to drink has reduced and that you can be happy drinking less per calendar week than the recommended units. You've been able to encounter scientific proof of what alcohol has done to your liver, hopefully that will be a reminder in the future of how to best requite it lots of TLC. I all the same dont purchase the statement that you HAVE to beverage in order to be considered part of whatsoever social group you are in. Why not become the 'designated driver' when you lot go out, that might make y'all a very popular fellow member of the group, relieve yous ££££ and your liver will say thanks in a big fashion. 
Thanks very much for your response. Yeah, I accept seen what impairment has been done and appreciate your point. It'southward not a question of HAVE to but moreso how exercise I measure if the liver has repaired.
"and so another half dozen months to ensure the liver histology has time to normalise"
How do I check this? With an ultrasound?
My ALT was mid 70s. My GGT was >600.
Afterwards 1 calendar month my ALT is 42 (should be <40) and GGT is 140.
The doctor was suprised how chop-chop they have gone downward.
If they are heading this way then in some other month I promise they are both inside range. GGT should exist <50.
The only things I need to know is:
What tests do I need to do to establish if it has Fully Recovered.
I may not potable once again. I might take the odd glass of vino. I won't drink heavily.
But this is non really what I am asking. It's more than *how do I exam to run into if it has fully recovered*
Thanks over again.
Fibroscan or biopsy are the only means, even a biopsy can exist inaccurate if they place the needle in a good for you office of the liver. Dissection is the only 100% way. Once y'all start researching booze and liver, you volition presently realise applied science isnt equally skillful as we think. ultrasound should pick up on moderate to major damage, but again no guarantees. if you get your lfts down and go second clear ultrasound, that should hateful you arent about to drop dead, just to carry on drinking would playing roulette with your health.
Hi Paul
I have only read your other postal service and you were on 7/8beers a 24-hour interval for 10 years. Thats more than plenty to be at End Stage. I think you also need to reconsider your outlook on the tests y'all have had, an ultrasound isn't very good at determining damage and LFTs are good for measuring an inflammed liver whilst its inflammed. Your reading of GGT 600 is the highest I take seen apart from alcoholic hepatitis. Information technology means your liver has been swelling upward all the way from the normal ranges, that could be years, swelling causes Fibrosis and Fibrosis can become to cirrhosis if the cause isnt stopped. What all this means is that even if you lot get all your bloods to normal ranges and go the fat out the Fibrosis will nevertheless be at that place, some tin can be reversed some wont. So even if you lot stopped for 10 years and then went back to drinking you will be on a fast track to cirrhosis considering of previous scarring. I have seen a fair few people on other forums now regretting falling off the railroad vehicle after years of sobriety and now notice themselves in cirrhosis. What you lot will demand is a Fibroscan or perhaps a Fibromax claret examination which can mensurate the Fibrosis, LFTS and ultrasound WONT measure Fibrosis. People with cirrhosis can accept normal LFTS one time they finish drinking, you need to realise at the moment your trying to dodge a bullet! You shouldnt even consider drinking again with your history . Sorry to lecture you ,but its the gravity of the situation, getting your bloods downwardly is the first part to stop farther damage, you and then need to survey the impairment done, your GP probably wont have a clue. Y'all may have to accept this into your own easily and get extra tests.
This is really a question for your medical squad, not for a bunch of random though often well-informed lay people on the internet.
disagree, he has had liver illness end of story. a fleck like someone asking if they can all the same smoke later on a eye attack, y'all dont demand demand a PHD to give this man some advice. Pitty yous didnt actually add together anything useful to the discussion
GGT of 140 is still over the normal range (normal range = 0 to 50 as i understand0
Yous get a fibroscan and a biopsy. Fact of the thing here is that you lot are dying to go at least one dark-green light to potable once again. While I tin appreciate the desire cause hell alcohol is fun, I tin besides recognize that your mind is non willing to have the possibility of not drinking. I mean your on a forum of non medical professionals hoping to get one of us to say yea your fine even tho your doctor has said no. Your bloods were worse when they lowered than mine take ever been amd I jave cirrhosis. Blood piece of work doesnt mean in that location is no impairment. People with full blown cirrhosis have normal blood piece of work all the time for reasons ill non bother explaining right now. But it does erk me when people say the classic " but a glass with dinner" because that will never stay that way. Out in a pub witj friends you Will drink more than ii and you know this inside. All that being said its your life and no-one tin tell yous not to. Just dont become surprised like you were never warned if worse happens.
Definately NO!
Definately NO!
" It'south not a question of HAVE to but more and then how do I measure if the liver has repaired."
Y'all tin can't. Equally Ralph says the about authentic way would be a biopsy, just fifty-fifty that would just give y'all an reply if you lot had already had a baseline a biopsy while the impairment was bad, which yous didn't.
Your baseline results for comparison in the future are what you accept already: GGT, liver enzymes etc.
I call up what you are actually asking is, is it ok for me to go back to drinking. The reply is in your hands really. If yous are relaxed about risking damaging your liver again by either drinking again too soon or drinking more than your liver is comfy with, then go alee and start again whenever.
If you lot are anxious at all near further damage, then don't drinkable at all, or don't drink for at least some other half dozen months and then start again slowly.
You ask how to check your liver health. That's dependant on what you tin can persuade your doctor to exercise within the NHS, which would most likely exist some blood tests a few months down the line - if you ask them. I uncertainty your case warrants an ultrasound and it certainly doesn't warrant a CT, MRI or biopsy. At that place is no magic cure the medico can requite you for alcohol damage, the cure is in your hands and yours lone. Future liver monitoring is pretty much but given to people with liver damage that tin can exist clinically measured, or people with chronic liver disease.
So did u find out what your fibroscan score from 1to 75 is?
Is your liver damaged in any way? Because if it is then the short answer would be No.
My husband, even so, had high GGT and information technology is now completely normal (he stopped drinking when cirrhosis near killed me, but now consumes perhaps five cans of beer a calendar week with no ill effects.
With that said, I tin can't aid merely wonder why you appear then corking to return to alcohol? It's the "emotional crutch" that nearly got me killed and I would personally never drink again even if I thought a couple on occasion wouldn't injure.
Personally I Would not drink. I was never a drinker ( 2-3 pints a month ) having now had a liver transplant I would never dream of putting my health back in danger. It's a decision you demand to think long and hard virtually..
My AST is 62, ALT is 63. I got denied for life insurance. I freaked out saw a doctor who wants to retest and come back in 2 weeks for a new blood test and a scan. I tin't drinkable during the week period
I was drinking 25-thirty vodka sodas near 5 days a calendar week. I am 49 and live alone. My wife left me years ago and my drinking got worse. Going to bars and hanging with other alcoholics.
I practice piece of work out but not everyday. I am disgusted bc I don't know if I can not drink for fifty-fifty just 2 weeks. I usually drank after my conditioning.
Any advice. I know I sound pathetic.
I went to the md last week and i already knew my liver was damaged due to heavy drinking but not that bad i only drank heavy for 3 years just heavy beer i always stayed abroad from the vodka and heavy drinks like that well i went to the doctor they said my liver enzymes were heaven loftier over 600 my spleen was enlarged just the physician said my liver isnt damaged due to drinking merely i would potable for 2 days straight not stop and accept a little break then go back did your physician say if the high liver enzymes were due to drinking cause i demand answers man i went to the hospital lastnight and my liver enzymes were around the 300 range i programme on eating improve getting my trunk in shape
I am certainly not a doctor, only 2-iii drinks per mean solar day and a healthy diet shouldn't damage your liver. I'd recommend getting your levels of GGT and ALT to under 50 first before you resume drinking, and don't drinkable hard alcohol or binge! Your liver can't handle that abuse. Taking days off from drinking will let your liver heal itself, and drinking lemon h2o, turmeric, dandelion root, milk thistle and other vitamins can't hurt either. Skilful luck! My levels are as well loftier right at present so I'1000 reducing my alcohol intake besides.
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